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I haven't really explored the community enough to know if something like this has been posted already. I guess you can consider this my hello post:

Name: Jessica
Age: 29
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, United States
I can't pick a favorite character because they all appeal to me in one way or another.


[edit]H...orcruxes.[/edit]

Even though it is considered to be the darkest of magics…wouldn’t it be some ! if Dumbledore put enough of his soul into Fawkes so as to not die permanently? It would explain why his body went up in flames and Harry thinks he saw a blue phoenix coming out of the ashes.

Makes you wonder.

Dumbledore is supposed to be one of if not the most powerful wizard to ever live…so…why would it be far fetched for someone who has this amount of power to do a horcrux and not lose his humanity while doing it?
I know it goes against everything Dumbledore tells Harry about death and such…but maybe he did this before he was wise enough to know better.

Maybe Dumbledore will keep coming back from death until Voldermort is defeated and that is why he did a horcrux with Fawkes.

I think I am harping on this because Dumbledore's death seems so base and pointless...and if Severus is really a good guy, how could he have killed Dumbledore so easily unless he knew that Dumbledore would come back somehow? There is always the possibility that like Harry, Dumbledore forced Severus to promise that no matter what he had to do, he would not blow his cover to the Death Eaters and Voldermort...so Severus was forced to kill Dumbledore in order to keep his promise. This would make some type of sense due to the loyalty that Dumbledore claims that Severus has to the cause.

Book 7 better explain all of this...ugh.
I CANT WAIT!

Just thoughts.

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[User Picture]From: kayu
2006-11-28 12:08 am (UTC)
if fawkes were a horcrux, itd be genius cause i seem to remember fawkes cant die. sooo that means that dumbledore wouldnt die, either.
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 03:58 pm (UTC)
Thats the thing with Fawkes though...phoenixes are almost immortal...lifespans that can go over 1000 years and once they die they regenerate from their own ashes. I'm sure that you can "kill" a phoenix...im just not so sure it would stay dead...unless some type of magic is performed. This is all mythical stuff though ...for all i know the only way a phoenix can regenerate is if it dies a natural death...which would pretty much kill the thought that making a phoenix into a horcrux is a good idea...but the same thing can be said about Nagini...unless she is a special type of animal like Crookshanks.

and now I am getting lost in my own train of thought. =]
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 07:26 pm (UTC)
I dont think there is anything more to Crookshanks apart from his being a kneazle...and if there is I missed it! I love your Luna icon...she looks so pretty!

You know...I have a very hard time believing that Harry is a horcrux. The horcrux seems to be something very complex that takes a good amount of knowledge and power to create. It doesnt seem plausible to me that a wizard as powerful, intuitive, and smart like Voldermort would make this type of mistake. I also have a hard time believing that a horcrux can be created by accident. Like "oops! i just transferred some of my soul bits into Harry. My bad" ehhh just doesnt feel right. Though I am not disimissing this possibility...just talking smack about it lol

The transfer of power makes sense to me...thoughts, emotions, including the Parseltongue...but in my mind it just doesnt fit that Voldermort made Harry into a horcrux by accident.
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[User Picture]From: nemesister
2006-11-28 02:18 pm (UTC)
The horcrux magic is so dark that even an immature Dumbledore would have never done it. I don't think that magical power can prevent the effect of losing a bit of your soul.
He did probably kill Grindewald and got his soul ripped apart there, but when he was good and strong enough to kill a dark lord he surely wouldn't be in the state of mind to produce a selfish horcrux.
Of course I can't explain the blue phoenix, except that JK thought it was a nice image.

I don't think Snape killed Dumbledore easily at all.
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[User Picture]From: photigrapes
2006-11-28 03:30 pm (UTC)
Yep, I agree with pretty much everything you said. Although, since we'd never seen a wizard funeral before, is it possible the "blue phoenix" Harry saw could have been Dumbledore's soul/magic leaving earth? Is a wizard/witch's magic "released" when they die? Does it take a specific form (like their patronus, and I'm reasonably certain Dumbledore's was a phoenix - see book 4, after Krum is stunned by Crouch)?
It is a nice image, even if it's not something more.


ps - your icon is cute! is that Snape and Dumbledore? b/c if so, I totally <3 it even more. ^_^
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 03:37 pm (UTC)
Does it take a specific form (like their patronus, and I'm reasonably certain Dumbledore's was a phoenix

GOOD POINT...totally forgot about this. Thanx for bringing it up.
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 03:52 pm (UTC)
yea...your icon is so cute. <3 love it.
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[User Picture]From: nemesister
2006-11-28 05:59 pm (UTC)
I love your icon too, seems so harmless when you don't look closely.

Yes, it's Snape and Dumbledore in happier times. :D
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 07:26 pm (UTC)
I just realized what your icon is and I freaking love it!
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 03:52 pm (UTC)
Part of me wants to agree with what you say but there really isnt anything in the book that suggests what you say is true regarding Dumbledore. Of course I want to believe that Dumbledore would never do such a thing...young, immature, old, wise...never...he is my hero after all lol But to say that he would have never done it seems a bit too final...absolute...and if I know something about these books...it is that there is a reason for everything...like how little we know about Albus' past. I'm sure there is a good reason for that...one which we will hopefully know by the end of book 7.

Assuming that he did perform a horcrux...if the reason why he did the horcrux was because he wanted to be sure that the world was rid of Voldermort before he(Albus) left it...for someone as honorable and good as Dumbledore...to do somethign like this...that would be the ultimate sacrifice...making it anything but selfish. Thats just my opinion of course...

When I said that it was "easy", for me, the way it was written...there seemed to be absolutely no hesitation on Severus' part...like he just killed him...after Dumbledore pleads to him. It seemed cold...calculated. Granted, this could be because Severus has had to be under this mask for so long that he is now a great actor...and that is what we saw...his performance for the Death Eaters. He gave them what was needed...he killed Dumbledore as though he meant nothing more to him than a stray dog...erasing any lingering doubts about his loyalties to the DEs.

I do believe Severus is good...and that he did what he did because it is what him and Dumbledore had agreed...but there just isnt enough fact in the book to support that...and I am being stubborn lol

We shall see.
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[User Picture]From: nemesister
2006-11-28 06:15 pm (UTC)
His face was full of hatred and disgust or something, is was the feelings thad Harry had in the cave when he fed Dumbledore the potion and Harry surely didn't have an easy time. Afterwards he was completely besides himself, so I didn't see him not caring. It would have been a huge overreaction, actually, if Dumbledore wasn't really dead.

Assuming that he did perform a horcrux...if the reason why he did the horcrux was because he wanted to be sure that the world was rid of Voldermort before he(Albus) left it...for someone as honorable and good as Dumbledore...to do somethign like this...that would be the ultimate sacrifice...making it anything but selfish.

That's a cool story, having someone use ultimate dark magic for the ultimate good. I just don't think it's what JKR set up, because she always emphasized how avoiding death is cowardly and likely to lead to evil while embracing death is brave.

We shall see.:)
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[User Picture]From: hekitiinaru
2006-11-28 06:31 pm (UTC)
Im just happy to have someone ...someoneS to talk to about all this. None of my friends are Harry Potter fanatics...and it is really reallly hard waiting for the movies to come out so they can have a clue as to why I am so obsessed lol

k...now that the moment of Harry Potter Fandom cheesyness is over lol

That last statement you made...
because she always emphasized how avoiding death is cowardly and likely to lead to evil while embracing death is brave.
is pretty much the biggest flaw in my theory. I guess part of me is refusing to believe that Dumbledore is dead until the the story is officially over.

I'm such a silly girl lol

and I love this icon too!!!
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