Anima Corrupt ([info]abelincoln1864) wrote in [info]hp_theories,
2005-07-17 19:10:00
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More thoughts on Snape



So, what is Snape's ironclad reason for Dumbledore's trust?

Here's ideas so far.

1. He was strongly connected to Lily, and did feel powerful remorse at being responsible for her death, so he made an Unbreakable Vow in front of Dumbledore to signify his leaving the dark side for good? Meaning he would die if he ever betrayed the Son of James. (Whom he really did hate.)

2. He hates Voldemort out of jealousy, because he was obviously a brilliant magical innovator, and Voldemort gets the credit for being the 'great wizard' (perhaps all of Snape's original jinxes were intended for good purposes, or joke purposes, or honest defense, and V used them for murder and intimidation, or took credit for inventing them)


I have a feeling it's a bit of both, the last visit to the Dursley's will have Petunia spill something about 'that Severus boy' or something along those lines.


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[info]ashakiran

July 17 2005, 23:33:11 UTC 6 years ago

I think more like, Snape made an Unbreakable Vow of true loyalty to Dumbledore... something like that. Not see a reason for dragging more people in.

[info]666deatheater

July 17 2005, 23:33:33 UTC 6 years ago

hmmmm, i'm going with something along the lines of number one. good thinking. could see the petunia thing happening too...

[info]666deatheater

July 17 2005, 23:39:27 UTC 6 years ago

one thing that's occured to me with snape is all the conversations we've seen him have in the past - demanding quirell decide where his loyalties lie, that he doesn't want snape as an emeny.. while he loaths harry, he has also, seemed genuinely concerned for his safety... however this may be to save his own neck.

if he indeed made an UV to DD regarding Harry's safety, and also made his UV with Narcissa, then one of these vows has to be one that he no longer sides with, ie, one of them would have been made for the sake of appearances.

also, if he made a vow with DD, who do you think would have been the third person (binder..?). at least one other person would know about it...

[info]abelincoln1864

July 17 2005, 23:51:37 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, it seems obvious that Snape needs Harry alive for some reason. Even after he (did what he just did) he once again saved Harry's live, even as Harry was chasing him down, trying to zap him. He stopped the other Death Eater from doing Harry in front of Hagrid's hut.

His UV with Narcissa wasn't to betray the Dark Side or kill Harry, it was to protect (and step in for) Malfoy if needed. And he did just that. It was to keep up appearances, but it was also binding.

I missed the bit about the necessary third person as a binder. That would make for one of the best mysteries yet. Who else could have known? R.A.B.? Whoever it is would probably be the way Harry finds out about it.

[info]mouser882

July 18 2005, 01:25:34 UTC 6 years ago

doesn't lupin keep saying that snape is really good, could it have been him? (just a thought, i havent re-read everything in a while)

[info]cheerprincess

July 18 2005, 01:03:57 UTC 6 years ago

So are you saying you believe he really is still good? It's a relief to hear that since I am in denial and my brother keeps telling me I'm wrong. I don't know what to think. I wish book 7 was out though that's for sure!!

[info]abelincoln1864

July 18 2005, 01:52:03 UTC 6 years ago

I think he is still 'good.' For these reasons:

1. Dumbledore spent the entire year building up Harry to do the same sort of thing, and even made him force potion down his throat, while screaming KILL ME in the previous chapter. Dumbledore's sense of ultimate loyalty is somebody who would indeed kill him (DD that is) if he asked it, as he made very clear to Harry.

2. He pleads with Snape, and we all know DD is not goiing to ever plead for his own life. Not Dumbledore! He was pleading for Snape to kill him.

3. Snape is severly (pun) tormented when Harry calls him a coward for doing it. He lashes Harry in the face, with a look of ultimate pain for what he had done, and screams DON'T CALL ME COWARD (ie: kiling DD was the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life)

4. Even after doing DD, Snape saves Harry from being killed by the other Death eater in front of Hagrid's hut.

5. Snape doesn't gloat to harry about how his parents died like other death eaters do. He only ever talks about how much he hated James when he was alive.

[info]pmsgoddess69

July 18 2005, 02:41:28 UTC 6 years ago

The thing about the dumbledore saying to Harry kill me though isnt that he needs someone loyal enough to kill him but whatever the potion was doing to him was making him feel that way. I dont know, I still havent decided how I feel about it. It makes some sense but I dont agree with the whole snape being good completely.

[info]abelincoln1864

July 18 2005, 02:50:23 UTC 6 years ago

No, the thing with the potion was merely symbolic (although very powerfully so) but he also makes Harry swear to leave him for dead if he commands.

[info]_etaoinshrdlu

July 18 2005, 05:55:36 UTC 6 years ago

i'm on the snapercamp too but about dumbledore's pleading... what is he was pleading for snape to not commit the act of murder? wouldn't that shatter his soul?

[info]cygna_hime

July 19 2005, 01:05:25 UTC 6 years ago

If it does, I'm very much afraid Snape's soul is in pieces already. Besides, I don't think it does, necessarily. Killing someone is a critical event to morals and character, but not literally soul-shattering. It's required to split your soul, but other things are probably required too.

[info]rokstarro4

July 18 2005, 02:43:26 UTC 6 years ago

in chapter two snape says (slowly), "he intends me to do it in the end, i think. but he is determined to that draco should try first. you see, in the unlikely event that draco succeeds, i shall be able to remain at hogwarts a little longer, fufilling my useful role as spy." i think DD is the "he" snape is referring to--if draco actually does kill dd, than snape will be able to stay at hogwarts longer- but clearly snape doesn't see this happening.

[info]mad_cow666

July 18 2005, 04:12:09 UTC 6 years ago

I always have been (and I still am) under the impression that Voldemort did something to Snape personally, something like hurt someone tht he cared for, and that Snape turning to the good side was an act of revenge against Voldemort.

[info]snale

July 18 2005, 05:38:56 UTC 6 years ago

I've been thinking the same thing. Snape must have had an immense personal realization in order to risk his own life and become a spy for the Order.

[info]cygna_hime

July 18 2005, 12:09:43 UTC 6 years ago

The questions is...If Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore, who was their Bonder? He or she is, like the Secret-Keeper, the only person who can prove it now.

[info]ayasugi_san

July 18 2005, 15:45:04 UTC 6 years ago

If that is true, then that person will become very important in the final book. Except, who would both Snape and Dumbledore trust to be their Bonder? The most likely person is McGonagall, and based on her reaction, she probably wasn't.

[info]lisatrix

July 19 2005, 01:39:39 UTC 6 years ago

She could have been acting. It wouldn't be hard to incorporate "omgSeverushowcouldyou" into her grief at Dumbledore's death. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it COULD have..
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